Lightstone REIT Implodes; Let's Go to the Audiotape!

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Re: Lightstone REIT Implodes; Let's Go to the Audiotape!

Post by jam3 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:44 am

That's why I went further to say they are different and you cannot fully compare but when your arguement is saying that REITs are Ponzi schemes because they are paying distributions from money that is not being generated by income on the portfolio....then bonds are the same in that manner and therefore should be called Ponzi schemes as well since that is the basis of your arguement.

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Re: Lightstone REIT Implodes; Let's Go to the Audiotape!

Post by REIT Wrecks » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:37 pm

Well, it looks like Lichtenstein fired Hamrick. No reason was given, but if the press release had been written by Jim Carey (Liar, Liar!), it might have gone something like this:
"Steve, you're fired. Not only have you failed to dredge up a sufficient number of clueless investors willing to swallow my latest self-enrichment scheme, but you've allowed some heathen blogger to record all our verbal SEC disclosures. It's bad enough that we have to put all that stuff in our 10Qs and 10Ks, but you let this guy get you on tape!

Faced with the choice of keeping you on, and potentially losing another opportunity to rip off a bunch of corrupt pension funds in Detroit, I have to let you go. I pulled $30 million in fees out of LVP I last year while sitting on my back porch upstate, and I don't intend to let you and some silly blogger send me back to flipping brownstones in Brooklyn!"
The official cut is here:

http://newyorkrealestate.citybizlist.com/YourCityBizNews/detail.aspx?id=86556

This makes the second Non-Traded REIT senior executive to go in about as many weeks. Under similarly murky conditions, W.P . Carey CEO Gordon DuGan was replaced as CEO. DuGan said his resignation was based on irreconcilable differences of opinion with respect to the degree of authority and control of William Polk Carey, W.P. Carey's Chairman, and a disagreement over the strategic direction of the company. Carey was less circumspect. "Gordon and I have not been strategically aligned in the recent years,...", he said.

Get this: DuGan was replaced by Trevor Bond, who is - get ready - the son of the second husband of the daughter of the half-sister of Carey!

Here's the W.P. Carey press release:

http://newyorkrealestate.citybizlist.com/yourcitybiznews/detail.aspx?id=84134

Happy Dividends!

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Re: Lightstone REIT Implodes; Let's Go to the Audiotape!

Post by DrREIT » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:48 pm

Jam3...I read your posts. You are really stretching to try and correlate bond structures with non-traded equity REITs. I dont think you know much about either. By definition, a ponzi scheme uses the next guy's new money to pay off the exisiting guy's old money in the form of redemptions or distributions. A bond is nothing of the sort, but an untraded equity REIT is precisely this. These investments are notorious ponzi schmes that fly under the radar of full disclosre. The only reason they dont go under is that they can always bring in new captial to keep the scam alive. At least that is what Madoff thought, until the market nabbed him and the whole scam unwound. But this recession has really put a hurting on these REIT's - all ponzi schmese eventually unwind. Eventually you want you rmoney back. The true crime is the mgmt at these companies have numerous side companies and deals set up at the expense of investors to take fee income. And the brokers who sell these securities out of boiler rooms get a far bigger comission than their legit peers. Me thinks you either work for one of these companies or you have invested in one and are afraid of what you read here...... These companies are feverishly raising new money as fast as they can...its the only way out of their sefl-induced morass. Unlike public companies, the bad news with a non-traded reit will come all at once when it closes its doors.

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Re: Lightstone REIT Implodes; Let's Go to the Audiotape!

Post by 4ever stamp investr » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:55 pm

Piece of advice to non-traded reit shareholders:

Give your pieces of paper to your favorite charity. Take a write off for the fair market value. Use the massively inflated ERISA value to determine fair market value. Warn the charity they're actually worth far less and that they may be better off cashing in and buying lotto scratchers (or rigging the Church bingo).

Send your broker an invoice for your loss with a copy of your middle finger and a sweet note firing them. Take a shower to cleanse the scum still hanging on.
Feel better about doing some good unlike lichtenstein, goodwin, bren, cole, et al.

most importantly,
Buy a REIT mutual fund next time.

Or, invest in my forever stamp fund.

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